Following the end of WWII, she and the man married and had two children together. The Hollywood Reporter is a part of Penske Media Corporation. Steve could've married and been with Peggy in secret. Visit our corporate site (opens in new tab). He kept his head down over the decades and let everything play out while he had his family, then grew into the moment. At the end of Avengers: Endgame, a 1940s-style car passed through the scene, confirming the era. Bucky and Sam Wilson are waiting for Captain America to return, but instead, they find an old version of Steve Rogers sitting on a bench nearby. Avengers: Endgame was designed to bring Phase 3 of the Marvel Cinematic Universe to a close, and while it largely left fans satisfied, that's not to say it didn't leave fans with a few questions as the credits began to roll. However, amusingly enough, there actually WAS an explanation for why Captain America wouldn't recall Black Panther's grandfather (or being in Wakanda before). 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Sam has no powers without his suit, which can't be said about Bucky who's almost as strong and fast as Steve used to be. But why didn't he choose Bucky instead? CinemaBlends resident theme park junkie and amateur Disney historian. We use cookies and other tracking technologies to improve your browsing experience on our site, show personalized content and targeted ads, analyze site traffic, and understand where our audiences come from. When Peter Parker aka Spider-Man shows up in the airport scene in Captain America: Civil War (2016) and steals Captain America's shield, Steve doesn't seem so surprised by the young hero's presence. A documentary showing Carter reveals that she later got married to an unnamed man who was saved by Steve from a HYDRA blockade in 1945. He says, Ill miss you. Clearly he knows something.. MORE: Avengers: Endgame Writer Confirms 'Old Steve' Cameo Theory. noted that there was a Captain America/Black Panther miniseries that offered an explanation. bitches aint shit, but hoes and tricks. and our If so, what became of that Sam, since the shield has now been brought to this timeline? Peggy and Steve's time together was cut short during World War II after Steve crashed Red Skull's ship, but that wasn't the end of their story. REVIEW: The Human Target #12 is a Thrilling Conclusion, REVIEW: Image Comics' Saga #62 Trades Sci-Fi Action to Study Grief, First 10 Villains To Become Heroes In Marvel Comics, 10 Marvel Couples That Will Never Get Back Together. Thank you for signing up to CinemaBlend. Theres a lot of layers built into this movie and we spent three years thinking through it, so its fun to talk about it and hopefully fill in holes for people so they understand what were thinking., There are other questions in this sequence that set up this future story. During this time, Peggy would be almost 50 years old. and the military should have given him money for the time he was frozen in the ice. This is a time travel conundrum and one thats occurred off-screen, for maximum confusion. By submitting your email, you agree to our, Captain Americas final act in Endgame seems to solve a lingering MCU mystery, Sign up for the With everyone thinking that Captain America is definitively gone, no one would suspect that future Steve is actually him. The Russos confirm Bucky knew. He graduated college in 2016 with a Bachelor's degree in Media & Public Communication, with a minor in Media Production. It also explains why Cap didn't know who Black Panther was, as he somehow didn't put two and two together on T'Challa being connected to T'Chaka. [Ed. One Marvel comic tried. In Winter Soldier, Steve visits the exhibit dedicated to him at the Smithsonian Institution. Still, maybe we will. Captain America Vs. Thanos: Who Would Win? Steves story has truly come full circle. But he decides to take the long way home, and when he returns to the present day after his mission is completed, hes an old man. 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Evenifthis ending was locked in stone back whenThe Winter Soldierwas made, there's no other option for Peggy than to lie to Steve about his future. Wouldnt she recognize Uncle Steve as Captain America? Future Club 33 Member. Also, because she grew old with Steve, seeing a young Steve Rogers would trigger her to think hes come back to her. However, here's the tricky part. Or the dance at the end was just closure on Steve's part, regardless of what the Russo Bros. think, nothing is canon til its shown on screen. In Ant-Man (2015), we see a 1989 flashback in which Hank Pym (Michael Douglas) confronts SHIELD heads Howard Stark (John Slattery), Mitchell Carson (Martin Donovan) and Peggy about attempting to replicate the Pym Particles. Please enter a valid email and try again. Role With Tom Selleck. If it is Peggy, then Tripp and Sharon could be Sam's cousins. We learn that Steve stayed in the past and lived . I loved it. Similarly, Cap and Namor teamed up with Human Torch 1953's Young Men #26 (by Don Rico and John Romita), but that, too, was determined to have been ANOTHER replacement Captain America named William Burnside. It is a bit hard to forget a dude in a red, white and blue costume calling himself Captain America. But the only one who even vaguely succeeds and wipes the smug smile off Thor's face is Steve who budges the hammer but doesn't lift it. By the time he showed up in 2023 in Endgame, Steve would had been over 100 years old. Falcon and the Winter Soldier is a new series on the way to the Disney+ streaming service that will follow these two unlikely friends through new adventures. Peggy's orders." Colleen O'Brien and Peggy Carter [src] "Peg, you work at the phone company; it ain't life and death." "Darling, you have no idea." Colleen O'Brien and Peggy Carter [src] "Agent Carter, we just pulled a red ball out of D.C. All hands on deck. Still, it looks like Captain America isn't that well-off, considering he mentioned he can't afford to live in Brooklyn anymore. Does 'Avengers: Endgame' Have a Subtle Post-Credits Message? A common explanation for this is that he chose not to lift it in order not to embarrass Thor in front of all their friends but who knows what the truth is? Kitty Kallens rendition of Its Been a Long, Long Time plays them, and the film, off. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. When Cap doesn't return right away through the time portal, Professor Hulk (Mark Ruffalo) is perplexed and explains that he blew past his time stamp. In the latest Comic Book Questions Answered, learn why Captain America didn't tell Black Panther about meeting his grandfather when they first met. For previously mentioning that I should really talk about Black Panther #30. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. No no, I dont think I will, the old man replies. For as many questions as the sequence raises, the emotional conclusion of it all seems definitive. When he wakes up in the 21st century and feels isolated and separated from everyone he once knew and loved if the deleted scene from Avengers (2012) is anything to go by. Could that even mean that the MCU now exists on an alternate timeline? If future Steve had stayed to be with Peggy, wouldnt that mean the existence that she created with her unnamed husband and their two children would be erased? Pam Grier reflects on her most iconic roles, from Coffy to Jackie Brown. Steve knew that Bucky was the one who killed Tony's parents but even though he and Tony were friends at the time, he didn't tell him the truth. In the same movie, Steve visits a 93-year-old Peggy in the nursing home where we learn she has Alzheimers. But he eventually returned to pass . Hudlin pushed it to T'Challa's grandfather (and knowing what we know now about the various things that are done to the Black Panther vis a vis enhanced abilities, it could probably remain his grandfather for a loooooong time, as T'Challa's father could be born at pretty much any point that we feel like, honestly. While it was a touching moment seeing them together, a few things about Steve's new life don't make sense. How will Falcon's status as the new Captain America work into the next phase of the MCU? Follow him on Twitter at @Brian_Cronin and feel free to e-mail him suggestions for stories about comic books that you'd like to see featured at brianc@cbr.com! Pam Grier reflects on her most iconic roles, from, Avengers: Endgame explained: Easter eggs, answers, and endings. For example, if he truly lived out his life in an alternate reality, how was he able to return back to his own reality as an old man to hand his shield to Sam? Entertainment Weekly is a registered trademark of Meredith Corporation All Rights Reserved. The truth is, there are deliberate mysteries built into that sequence, which directors Joe and Anthony Russo suggested are setting up future stories. Now audiences finally know the fate of Steve Rogers, but is it really what it seems? In Marvel Saga #12, we learn the story of how Captain America joined the Avengers and after Sanderson give us the background of Captain America's World War II adventures, the writer shows us Captain America and Namor fighting and Sanderson uses the aforementioned memory problems to explain why Captain America could not recognize Namor For the most part, Marvel Saga just followed the established stories of the Marvel Universe, but every so often, Sanderson would come up with something new to make it all seem more coherent and this was an example of that impulse. It was all Evans, created through a mix of prosthetics on his face and digital touchups to thin it all down. Because it would force him to talk to Bucky, who would tell him all about it and that would be the beginnings of a beautiful friendship. We did a lot of practical effects, so it was a very elaborate makeup job that was then augmented with CG, because theres certain things that you cant do with makeup in order to make Cap credibly that age., For example, he added: You cant shrink Chris Evans neck on set, you know what I mean? We see photos of Peggy with her children on the table, but no photos of her husband. Kath has loved movies, TV, and literature ever since she was a child and her father first played Star Trek for her. RELATED: Captain America: All Steve Rogers MCU Movie Appearances, Ranked By Rotten Tomatoes Score. You cannot affect the future by going to the past. Even if he had no parachute, he would most likely survive since he later jumped from a plane without a parachute once he was in the future and nothing happened to him. Directors Joe and Anthony Russo dont clear this up through the filmmaking after Cap jumps, the camera glides over to find Old Cap, who, if Hulk and Tony Stark are right, has been living under cover this entire time, a happily married man. Initially it sounds like it was a random soldier that Cap saved, but could she have been referring to Captain America himself since technically he saves himself as well? Nick Fury tells him in "Captain America: The First Avenger" that he's been out for about 70 years. Thanks, also, toI'm going to say Flavio? When he isnt writing about or watching new releases, Cooper is a fantasy football obsessive and looking to expand his Blu-Ray collection because physical media is still king! Please refresh the page and try again. Published Jul 4, 2020. In that scene, Peggy and Steve are finally reunited and dancing in what looks to be their home. Ahead of Avengers: Endgame, there was a years worth of speculation about the ending for its key players. - Reddit; 3 3.'Avengers: Endgame' - Captain America Ending Isn't What It Seems; 4 4.Did Captain America and Peggy Carter Get Pruned After Avengers; 5 5.Marvel Won't Tell TFATWS Creator What Happened to Steve Rogers It also seems pretty clear that the . It was later revealed that the Captain America in that story was actually a different patriotic superhero known as the Spirit of '76. Steve didn't tell Sam about his life with Peggy because it would collapse the hidden-in-plain-sight house of cards Steve built. Follow Cooper on Twitter @MovieCooper. So reader Samuel P. wrote in to ask why Captain America wouldn't have mentioned to T'Challa that he knew his grandfather and had actually BEEN to Wakanda before. Not only that, but even if Namor did not know STEVE ROGERS, Marvel continuity had established that Namor had met two other guys calling themselves Captain America, so even if he didn't know Steve, he surely should have recognized the Captain America costume. People keep suggesting that Steve and Peggy were together in an alternate time line, but it doesn't have to be. And Other Amazing Comic Book Trivia! Talk about a bad taste. Please check your email to find a confirmation email, and follow the steps to confirm your humanity. He doesn't, however, find someone who could help him overcome his feelings and instead channels them by fighting villains and punching boxing bags. Still, many fans wonder if this is a misdirect (the Russos are known for that.) Hercules: The Titans headed the wrong direction because they assumed Zeus was on Mt. By choosing I Accept, you consent to our use of cookies and other tracking technologies. Yes, Cap was injected with the super serum, but he didn't age because he was put on ice and frozen in 1945. Coopers love for movies began by watching Toy Story and Lion King on repeat as a child, but it wasn't until The Avengers that he took an invested interest in movies and the filmmaking process, leading him to discover the world of film journalism. note: this post contains major spoilers for Avengers: Endgame]. Just felt like a very WW2 veteran way to answer. But that does raise the question of why she would still have a photo of Steve on her desk if she was already married to someone else with a family of her own. Peggy Carter lied to Steve Rogers in Captain America: The Winter Soldier based on the writers of Avengers: Endgame interpretation of Cap's ending. Has Winter Soldier already met with Old Cap at some previous point? MCU: Thor Vs. Captain America: Which Was The Better Trilogy? Let me explain. But the final scene of Endgame shows Cap and Peggy dancing to a slow song in a home that felt like. "I have this Forrest Gump-ian way of touching something and it becomes a hit!" So Cap and Peggy married and started a family. This conversation plays completely differently afterEndgameand Markus and McFeely's explanation of Cap's journey. (A son and daughter, of course, because nuclear family tradition!) This story was a revised version of the first meeting between Captain America and T'Chaka, T'Challa's FATHER in Black Panther #30 (by Christopher Priest and Norm Breyfogle). 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In doing so, it also closes the book on a long lingering mystery for his corner of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. But its likely that the Super Soldier Serum that granted him his powers also slowed his aging process. Recently, I did a post about why Captain America's shield was round and I noted that there was a Captain America/Black Panther miniseries that offered an explanation. Could the Avengers go back in time to kill baby Thanos? When Bucky sees the older Steve sitting on a bench, he sends Wilson to him. Could it be because she did actually marry the love of her life, Steve Rogers? Now normally, a hypothetical fight between Captain America and Batman would have very differing opinions. Avengers: Endgame drops the crumbs for Caps eventual decision to stay in the past multiple times during the teams time heist. Justin is a Kansas City, Missouri, freelance writer and is on Twitter often, @GigawattConduit. In any event, that would be why Captain America did not mention T'Challa's grandfather or having visited Wakanda when he first met T'Challa, he simply didn't remember it as part of his swiss-cheesed memory (a similar approach was used years later on the TV series, Quantum Leap, where Sam Beckett, the star of the show who was leaping through time, only remember bits and pieces from his past so that the show could introduce new pieces of his past whenever it felt like it). 7 [deleted] 3 yr. ago Explains why sam got the shield. Obviously, the "real" answer is that the story about Captain America and T'Challa's grandfather/father took place many years later, so obviously the earlier story wasn't connected to this one (heck, the idea of there even BEING a Black Panther before T'Challa was a retcon, in and of itself). In the commentary track to the Avengers: Endgame Blu-ray McFeely seemingly confirms that Steve Rogers told his old friend what he was planning on doing. However, while that explains why Cap didn't bring it up to T'Challa and even why he didn't recognize Black Panther right away, it DOESN'T explain why Cap's thought balloons clearly note that he doesn't know where Wakanda is. He could have set the plane on a collision course and then jump out of it. Copyright 2023 Meredith Corporation. Clock out, pull the curtains, and sleep. According to McFeely Yeah I think it's clear from Sebastian's performance here that he's been clued into Steve's decision. Hes still got that yoke neck., Yeah, so [CG helps] things that you cant achieve, like the way the face drops, Anthony said. Especially when he says goodbye, Joe explained. 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After being unfrozen at . At least, not as we know him. Something went wrong. Iron Man may have kickstarted the MCU but it was Captain America who was the first superhero, the original Avenger, long before any of the other superheroes first suited up and started taking down bad guys. With the release of Endgame, audiences are left to wonder about the mechanics of time travel in the MCU. Heres how it works. Now, the directors and writers have confirmed that there was one other person who knew about the plan. That Steve dated Sharon Carter. Brendan Fraser Says He Nearly Died on the Set of The Mummy: I Was Choked Out Accidentally. She tells Steve she has lived a long and fulfilling life before going through an episode where she thinks Steve has come back to her. We didnt change anything about it.. Cap and Peggy get their dance. Based on the chronology, by the time that Sam would have been fighting age, Steve Rogers would already be elderly and probably ready to hand off the mantle. 2023 Oscars predictions: See who will win at the 95th Academy Awards. However, Marvel later revealed that Captain America was put into suspended animation before the end of the war, so he couldn't possibly have been part of the very much POST World War II story in All-Winners Comics #19. For example, he could have spared himself all the trouble and not crash with the plane in the first Captain America movie. In 1986, Marvel debuted Marvel Saga, an ambitious re-telling of the Marvel Age of Comics by historian Peter Sanderson, using actual Marvel Comics to tell the story of the Marvel Universe in chronological order. Captain America's cameo was one of the funniest parts of Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017), a film already filled with plenty of funny scenes. There would no doubt be other superheroes who were criminals and could record the school fitness challenge instead of Captain America. But he had enough time to come up with a way how to tell Tony what really happened and explain that Bucky was brainwashed and not responsible for his actions. The plane would hold the direction, crash into the water and Steve would be safe and sound. Or was it? That segues into Cap remembering Peggy two issues later and having a flashback to their last meeting, where Cap believed that she had been killed (she's not actually named Peggy Carter in the issue, that doesn't come until we learn the name of her kid sister, Sharon Carter, which takes a while). He then realizes the office belongs to Peggy and sees her through the window. One of the biggest plot problems when it comes to Steve and Peggy's relationship is the Sharon and Steve love story. She goes on to say,"The world has changed and none of us can go back. Explains why sam got the shield. Why? Does anyone think Steve and Peggy had kids? Why? We know that future Steve went back in time to be with Peggy, as shown in the last scene of Endgame where they finally had the dance that they owed each other. Sanderson would edit the stories together into a cohesive narrative and he would then throw in little extra bits to make it all fit. Please also read our Privacy Notice and Terms of Use, which became effective December 20, 2019. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. But there are still a few things about Captain America that don't quite make sense. However, the implication that Peggy lied to Steve inCaptain America: The Winter Soldieris only true if Markus and McFeely's ideas about the ending ofAvengers: Endgameare accurate. They get their life. Because he also paid Sam's mom a visit. Privacy Policy. [MCU] Why Steve didn't want to tell Sam about his wife. Since she has a background in writing genre fiction and screenplays, Kath enjoys fantasy, sci-fi, and superhero films and shows above all - however, she likes to watch films of all genres. Sign up for THR news straight to your inbox every day, Get the scoops first! Did Cap jump back in time before or after he rescued the father of her children? So what if that What If world of this show happens to be the one our Steve Rogers from the prime timeline came to inhabit? In Endgame, the Hulk and the Ancient One explain how changes to the past work. Therefore, if, you know, Jack and Stan were, say, to introduce a character from Cap's past, it wouldn't be weird if Cap didn't remember them until that point. At the end of Endgame, Steve Rogers volunteers to go back in time to return the Infinity Stones to where the Avengers stole them from earlier in the film. Each individuals future is definitive. Just like the past, you cant alter it too much or it becomes unrecognizable. In Comic Book Questions Answered, I answer whatever questions you folks might have about comic books (feel free to e-mail questions to me at brianc@cbr.com). Okay, folks, this sort of thing is something that happens all the time, so if you have any suggestions for future "The Book of Knowledge" features, drop me a line at brianc@cbr.com! As we can assume from the ring on Old Man Steves finger, he and Peggy tied the knot in the past. CBR Senior Writer Brian Cronin has been writing professionally about comic books for over fifteen years now at CBR (primarily with his Comics Should Be Good series of columns, including Comic Book Legends Revealed). What if the past wasnt actually erased, because future Steve Rogers is Peggys unnamed husband? 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